Msn Chat Changes

Post by Drummer
I used to enjoy going to MSN chatrooms and meeting people worldwide and
talking to many different people. Now they are charging $29.95 US funds for
the privilege of Free Speech.
Though I applaud there efforts in cutting down pedophile usage, there are
many people who can not afford to pay multi-millionaire Bill Gates $29.95 US
to simply chat to others.
Your comments on this are most welcome.
Fed up with GREEDY MSN.

I suspect that MSN is less concerned about pedophiles than they are in turning
what was an unprofitable part of their operation into a cash cow. From what
I've read, MSN will offer their subscription chat service in North America and
(go figure) Brazil. The rest of the world can apparently take a flying leap.

There is also the possibility that MSN is shutting down it's non-North American
chat rooms due to pressure from the omnipresent 'Department of Homeland
Security', i.e., if there are no 'jihad chat rooms' in Pakistan, it makes it a
little harder for terrorists to communicate online (or so the logic goes) but
they'll never admit that as a possible reason.

And MSN's shut down of chat rooms will do nothing to stop Yahoo and AOL from
picking up the slack, not to mention ICQ.

Unless they're "next"?

DEAGLE

'What we have here is a failure to communicate'
-- from 'Cool Hand Luke'

hokies

2003-10-15 12:46:39 UTC

Post by Deagle Financial Services

I suspect that MSN is less concerned about pedophiles than they are in turning
what was an unprofitable part of their operation into a cash cow. From what
I've read, MSN will offer their subscription chat service in North America and
(go figure) Brazil. The rest of the world can apparently take a flying leap.
There is also the possibility that MSN is shutting down it's non-North American
chat rooms due to pressure from the omnipresent 'Department of Homeland
Security', i.e., if there are no 'jihad chat rooms' in Pakistan, it makes it a
little harder for terrorists to communicate online (or so the logic goes) but
they'll never admit that as a possible reason.
And MSN's shut down of chat rooms will do nothing to stop Yahoo and AOL from
picking up the slack, not to mention ICQ.
Unless they're "next"?

Yahoo and AOL were working with MS.

The MS Chat rooms that I went to a few times, many claimed to be 14,15 years
girls. It was bad. Many law enforcement people claimed to be 14 years old girls
too, from the crime news.

From Tandem, Canada -
http://www.tandemnews.com/viewstory.php?storyid=3207

Microsoft ends free MSN chatroom
The world-renowned service will now be discontinued in some areas and offered at a
fee in others
By Alessandro Cancian

Bill Gates swears to being totally extraneous to this, but the once-free MSN
chatrooms have now become credit-card operated entities. Too much spam and too many
risks for the minors were given as the reasons for closing down one of the MSN
services most popular among users. Although theoretically praiseworthy, this
decision leaves a strongly bitter aftertaste and a lot of questions. Microsoft
stated that, beginning October 14, 2003, the MSN Chat service will be discontinued
in the EMEA area (Europe), Asia, and Latin America, while it will remain available,
for a fee, in the United States, Canada, and Japan. The original service, active in
34 different countries, did not require any registration, and according to
Microsoft this was a problem, as it all but prevented identification of people
using the service.

Microsoft claims that this initiative is part of a series of measures, soon to be
announced, curbing "inappropriate uses of the Internet". In April Microsoft
launched, with Yahoo! and AOL, a joint global initiative tackling the problem of
spamming both on the side of technology, by developing safer communication
protocols, and on the side of society and law, by raising public awareness and
promoting specific laws.

In those areas where Microsoft has chosen to keep the chat service open, it will
require a payment (in the USA, and optionally in Canada and Japan) or, even if
still free, it will be moderated. In the former case the service will only be
available to people supplying MSN with credit card data, which would make it
simpler for Microsoft to identify transgressors and stop them right away. In the
latter, the chatrooms will be moderated by external partners who will avail
themselves of a combination of automatic control tools and human operators. As a
justification for the differences among countries, Microsoft claimed the need for
MSN to "comply with the different characteristics of the various markets, including
user behaviour and needs". The Redmond-based giant stressed that the closure of MSN
Chat will have no impact whatsoever on other communication services, such as MSN
Messenger, MSN Hotmail, and MSN Groups.

What's clear is that Microsoft has been focussing its resources on MS.NET Messenger
for some time now. By warning users of the need to update their MSN/Windows
Messenger clients to conform to a new version of the communication protocol, Gates'
company is actually pushing its users to migrate to an application claimed to
increase security and privacy... says Microsoft.

By reading between the lines, however, it becomes clear that Microsoft will be the
only clear winner.

Development of alternative clients will require signing a licence contract with
Microsoft for the future use of its instant messaging network. The reasons would be
costs and safety considerations. The fact is that, until not long ago, MSN was
doing the same to AOL, with MS trying and exploiting AOL's network for free.

Cheers and pleas for reconsideration has come from everywhere. Reactions range from
people liking the idea that this could somehow deter paedophiles from using these
channels to people seeing this as yet another attack on freedom of expression.

Everybody's intentions are honourable, but the doubt still lingers that this really
could hamper predators using the Internet for luring minors. Clearly, the
phenomenon will go underground, and this will make life more difficult for
investigators. Anyway, keep your credit card handy; it's the only document really
worth having.
***

Donna Whitman

2003-10-15 11:18:46 UTC

Is that just for the chat rooms or to use it for one-on-one chats as
well? I've been using it to keep in touch with friends in distant
places.

L***@florence.it

2003-10-15 12:00:07 UTC

Is that just for the chat rooms or to use it for one-on-one chats as
well? I've been using it to keep in touch with friends in distant
places.

I have still been using Messenger (is that the one you mean?) and so
far, no sign of having to pay, but who knows what comes next.

hokies

2003-10-15 13:23:52 UTC

Post by L***@florence.it

Post by Donna Whitman
Is that just for the chat rooms or to use it for one-on-one chats as
well? I've been using it to keep in touch with friends in distant
places.

I have still been using Messenger (is that the one you mean?) and so
far, no sign of having to pay, but who knows what comes next.

You (one-on-one chats or Messenger) are NOT affected.

"closure of MSN Chat will have no impact whatsoever on other communication
services, such as MSN Messenger, MSN Hotmail, and MSN Groups."

L***@florence.it

2003-10-15 20:44:40 UTC

Post by hokies

Post by L***@florence.it

Post by Donna Whitman
Is that just for the chat rooms or to use it for one-on-one chats as
well? I've been using it to keep in touch with friends in distant
places.

I have still been using Messenger (is that the one you mean?) and so
far, no sign of having to pay, but who knows what comes next.

You (one-on-one chats or Messenger) are NOT affected.
"closure of MSN Chat will have no impact whatsoever on other communication
services, such as MSN Messenger, MSN Hotmail, and MSN Groups."

Yet, I suspect.

CanMan

2003-10-15 13:09:24 UTC

They own and paid for the servers that house this service, So Tough
I do not agree with MS monopoly and their Mafia style business practices but
bottom line they own the servers and if the want cash and you don't want to
pay their loss.

FrankBeens

2003-10-15 12:40:43 UTC

Economics wasn't your top courses huh?

Post by CanMan
They own and paid for the servers that house this service, So Tough
I do not agree with MS monopoly and their Mafia style business practices but
bottom line they own the servers and if the want cash and you don't want to
pay their loss.

Post by Drummer
I used to enjoy going to MSN chatrooms and meeting people worldwide and
talking to many different people. Now they are charging $29.95 US funds

for

Post by Drummer
the privilege of Free Speech.
Though I applaud there efforts in cutting down pedophile usage, there are
many people who can not afford to pay multi-millionaire Bill Gates $29.95

Post by Drummer
to simply chat to others.
Your comments on this are most welcome.
Fed up with GREEDY MSN.

FrankBeens

2003-10-15 12:40:06 UTC

Well simply put:

If ya don't like it, fuck it and go use something else that is free.
Advert revenues are down, profits are down, and the need to 'child
protection' is required to keep the evil online predator at bey.

And no, you are not charge $29.95 for the privilege of Free Speech..
You can hark and bark at the moon 'till your face turns blue for
free.. just do it somewhere else. They need not provide you or I with
the free service anymore.

Cheap ass soap boxes are over there and I think many more people are
going to start picking them up.

$30 a year is a fair fee for that service when you think about it.. I
can only imagine what it costs to provide that for free all these
years.

Oh wait, what's that? ICQ and Yahoo are thinking of the cost per
useage fees as well?

Finaly line: Don't like the fee, don't pay it.

Gord

2003-10-15 13:11:15 UTC

One question:

While Speech is free, where is it written that MS has to provide you the
servers to talk on at their loss? Everyone likes to gang up on them, but
they still are a business. If you don't like them, program your own OS /
Chat Server / Office Suite.
--

Mike MacKenzie-Jamer

2003-10-16 10:42:03 UTC

What ever happened to irc?

Frank E. Spencer

2003-10-16 11:21:05 UTC

Post by Mike MacKenzie-Jamer
What ever happened to irc?

Idiot kids with bad attitudes and foul mouths.
Bots, posturing, more idiocy and simple greedy bastards.

I've had morons kill channels, flood channels, bot channels, and all manner
of bullshit simply because they think they're some 'leet haxor and you
should somehow do what they say.

Donna Whitman

2003-10-16 12:18:27 UTC

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:21:05 GMT, "Frank E. Spencer"

Post by Mike MacKenzie-Jamer
What ever happened to irc?

Idiot kids with bad attitudes and foul mouths.
Bots, posturing, more idiocy and simple greedy bastards.
I've had morons kill channels, flood channels, bot channels, and all manner
of bullshit simply because they think they're some 'leet haxor and you
should somehow do what they say.

I gave up on it when some potty-mouthed woman decided she wanted to
use the same nick as I'd been using for years and would get REALLY
nasty if I logged on first with it. Yeah, could have changed my nick
but I was disenchanted with it at that point anyway.

FrankBeens

2003-10-16 13:10:36 UTC

Post by Mike MacKenzie-Jamer
What ever happened to irc?

I suppose that the feature called /ignore NICK was too much to use? Or
didn't know about /nickserv register NICK commands to aleviate the
problem?

I've been using the IRC for over 8 years now and haven't encountered
more than a few problems you guys are describing.. Then again, it must
be the company you keep when running through the IRC halls :P

Donna Whitman

2003-10-16 14:07:53 UTC

Post by Mike MacKenzie-Jamer
What ever happened to irc?

I suppose that the feature called /ignore NICK was too much to use? Or
didn't know about /nickserv register NICK commands to aleviate the
problem?

Knew about both but not all nets allow for registration of nicks.
The one we were both on was one of those. As for ignoring her, someone
who REALLY wants to bug you will just keep changing their nick. Of
course, I did learn about a nick recovery script.

Cut that immature attitude. I was around IRC for years before I gave
up on it as did most people I know who were adults. There used to be a
lot of locals who participated and got together for the odd party. If
you haven't had any problems, good for you but it's losing its
popularity for a very good reason. Frank is right

FrankBeens

2003-10-16 14:55:27 UTC

Post by Mike MacKenzie-Jamer
What ever happened to irc?

I suppose that the feature called /ignore NICK was too much to use? Or
didn't know about /nickserv register NICK commands to aleviate the
problem?

Knew about both but not all nets allow for registration of nicks.
The one we were both on was one of those. As for ignoring her, someone
who REALLY wants to bug you will just keep changing their nick. Of
course, I did learn about a nick recovery script.
Cut that immature attitude. I was around IRC for years before I gave
up on it as did most people I know who were adults. There used to be a
lot of locals who participated and got together for the odd party. If
you haven't had any problems, good for you but it's losing its
popularity for a very good reason. Frank is right

If my attitude offended you then I can see why you never survived the
IRC. If you gathered in adult channels and got that kind of lip
service from 'immature' people, you were obviously in the wrong forum
for mature conversation.

You slam the whole of the IRC system in one lump while many of us
enjoy using that service and never encountered any problems. Broad
stroke comments usualy catches a lot of feedback, what else can you
expect?

futureworlds

2003-10-16 17:05:19 UTC

Newsgroups: hfx.general
Subject: Re: Msn Chat Changes

Post by Mike MacKenzie-Jamer
What ever happened to irc?

I suppose that the feature called /ignore NICK was too much to use? Or
didn't know about /nickserv register NICK commands to aleviate the
problem?

Knew about both but not all nets allow for registration of nicks.
The one we were both on was one of those. As for ignoring her, someone
who REALLY wants to bug you will just keep changing their nick. Of
course, I did learn about a nick recovery script.
Cut that immature attitude. I was around IRC for years before I gave
up on it as did most people I know who were adults. There used to be a
lot of locals who participated and got together for the odd party. If
you haven't had any problems, good for you but it's losing its
popularity for a very good reason. Frank is right

If my attitude offended you then I can see why you never survived the
IRC. If you gathered in adult channels and got that kind of lip
service from 'immature' people, you were obviously in the wrong forum
for mature conversation.
You slam the whole of the IRC system in one lump while many of us
enjoy using that service and never encountered any problems. Broad
stroke comments usualy catches a lot of feedback, what else can you
expect?

Ignore Donna. Her whole life is oriented around whining and
complaining about what she doesn't or didn't like about this
or that, or playing the poor, maligned victim (which is her
most underestimated talent), or sniping at people who have
a better grip on life than she does.

In the seldom read Dante's EIGHTH level of Hell, there is
a dark and forboding room, into which the most unlucky
doomed souls are sentenced to an eternity with Donna,
Sheena MacKenzie and the recently departed Barb Amero.

The mere thought of a fate like that ought to spark a
true spiritual revival from one end of this godforsaken
province to another.

FrankBeens

2003-10-16 17:43:56 UTC

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:05:19 +0200 (CEST), futureworlds

Post by FrankBeens
You slam the whole of the IRC system in one lump while many of us
enjoy using that service and never encountered any problems. Broad
stroke comments usualy catches a lot of feedback, what else can you
expect?

Ignore Donna. Her whole life is oriented around whining and
complaining about what she doesn't or didn't like about this
or that, or playing the poor, maligned victim (which is her
most underestimated talent), or sniping at people who have
a better grip on life than she does.
In the seldom read Dante's EIGHTH level of Hell, there is
a dark and forboding room, into which the most unlucky
doomed souls are sentenced to an eternity with Donna,
Sheena MacKenzie and the recently departed Barb Amero.
The mere thought of a fate like that ought to spark a
true spiritual revival from one end of this godforsaken
province to another.

You know I am going to have nightmares about that visualisation,
right?

futureworlds

2003-10-16 19:37:15 UTC

Newsgroups: hfx.general
Subject: Re: MSN Chat Changes

Ignore Donna. Her whole life is oriented around whining and
complaining about what she doesn't or didn't like about this
or that, or playing the poor, maligned victim (which is her
most underestimated talent), or sniping at people who have
a better grip on life than she does.
In the seldom read Dante's EIGHTH level of Hell, there is
a dark and forboding room, into which the most unlucky
doomed souls are sentenced to an eternity with Donna,
Sheena MacKenzie and the recently departed Barb Amero.
The mere thought of a fate like that ought to spark a
true spiritual revival from one end of this godforsaken
province to another.

You know I am going to have nightmares about that
visualisation, right?

All the more reason to walk the straight and narrow.

And if you find yourself in that horrible place, keep
your eyes closed and try to pretend that instead of
Donna, Sheena and Barb, that it is really Shania Twain,
Pam Anderson and Jann Arden (who is really quite a babe).

Of course that will require an active imagination Frank.

FrankBeens

2003-10-17 01:32:47 UTC

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:37:15 +0200 (CEST), futureworlds

Post by futureworlds
In the seldom read Dante's EIGHTH level of Hell, there is
a dark and forboding room, into which the most unlucky
doomed souls are sentenced to an eternity with Donna,
Sheena MacKenzie and the recently departed Barb Amero.
The mere thought of a fate like that ought to spark a
true spiritual revival from one end of this godforsaken
province to another.

You know I am going to have nightmares about that
visualisation, right?

All the more reason to walk the straight and narrow.
And if you find yourself in that horrible place, keep
your eyes closed and try to pretend that instead of
Donna, Sheena and Barb, that it is really Shania Twain,
Pam Anderson and Jann Arden (who is really quite a babe).
Of course that will require an active imagination Frank.

I'll have to practice that one!

blah

2003-10-17 01:40:14 UTC

X-No-Archive: yes On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:37:15 +0200 (CEST),

Newsgroups: hfx.general
Subject: Re: MSN Chat Changes

Ignore Donna. Her whole life is oriented around whining and
complaining about what she doesn't or didn't like about this
or that, or playing the poor, maligned victim (which is her
most underestimated talent), or sniping at people who have
a better grip on life than she does.
In the seldom read Dante's EIGHTH level of Hell, there is
a dark and forboding room, into which the most unlucky
doomed souls are sentenced to an eternity with Donna,
Sheena MacKenzie and the recently departed Barb Amero.
The mere thought of a fate like that ought to spark a
true spiritual revival from one end of this godforsaken
province to another.

You know I am going to have nightmares about that
visualisation, right?

All the more reason to walk the straight and narrow.
And if you find yourself in that horrible place, keep
your eyes closed and try to pretend that instead of
Donna, Sheena and Barb, that it is really Shania Twain,
Pam Anderson and Jann Arden (who is really quite a babe).

Actually more like a babe and a half. She is however also very pretty
and extremely talented and exceptionally cool, staying close to her
friends and family and staying totally grounded, unlike many stars. I
guess the extra poundage is unimportant in light of all that great
stuff.
John

Post by futureworlds
Of course that will require an active imagination Frank.

Marilyn E. Burford

2003-10-17 03:32:34 UTC

Post by blah
Actually more like a babe and a half. She is however also very pretty
and extremely talented and exceptionally cool, staying close to her
friends and family and staying totally grounded, unlike many stars. I
guess the extra poundage is unimportant in light of all that great
stuff.
John

Y'know, if she ever finds she can no longer make it as a
singer/songwriter, Jan Arden can do stand-up comedy. My lordy, any time I
catch her on TV I stop and listen cuz she is absolutely HILARIOUS. Can
you imagine if they got her to do some work for '22 Minutes'. She could
give Mary Walsh a run for her money I bet.

Marilyn

hokies

2003-10-16 19:19:01 UTC

Who is/was Barb Amero?

Did she use IRC or MSN Chats a lot? Any Nicks?

Where did she depart to?

***

Post by futureworlds
recently departed Barb Amero.

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Donna Whitman

2003-10-16 19:58:07 UTC

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:05:19 +0200 (CEST), futureworlds

Newsgroups: hfx.general
Subject: Re: Msn Chat Changes

Post by Mike MacKenzie-Jamer
What ever happened to irc?

I gave up on it when some potty-mouthed woman decided she wanted

Post by Donna Whitman
use the same nick as I'd been using for years and would get REALLY
nasty if I logged on first with it. Yeah, could have changed my nick
but I was disenchanted with it at that point anyway.

I suppose that the feature called /ignore NICK was too much to use?

Post by FrankBeens
didn't know about /nickserv register NICK commands to aleviate the
problem?

Knew about both but not all nets allow for registration of nicks.
The one we were both on was one of those. As for ignoring her, someone
who REALLY wants to bug you will just keep changing their nick. Of
course, I did learn about a nick recovery script.
Cut that immature attitude. I was around IRC for years before I gave
up on it as did most people I know who were adults. There used to be a
lot of locals who participated and got together for the odd party. If
you haven't had any problems, good for you but it's losing its
popularity for a very good reason. Frank is right

If my attitude offended you then I can see why you never survived the
IRC. If you gathered in adult channels and got that kind of lip
service from 'immature' people, you were obviously in the wrong forum
for mature conversation.
You slam the whole of the IRC system in one lump while many of us
enjoy using that service and never encountered any problems. Broad
stroke comments usualy catches a lot of feedback, what else can you
expect?

Ignore Donna. Her whole life is oriented around whining and
complaining about what she doesn't or didn't like about this
or that, or playing the poor, maligned victim (which is her
most underestimated talent), or sniping at people who have
a better grip on life than she does.
In the seldom read Dante's EIGHTH level of Hell, there is
a dark and forboding room, into which the most unlucky
doomed souls are sentenced to an eternity with Donna,
Sheena MacKenzie and the recently departed Barb Amero.
The mere thought of a fate like that ought to spark a
true spiritual revival from one end of this godforsaken
province to another.

Have a nice day, Robert. BTW, what's this about the recently
departed Amero? Has Barbara passed away?

blah

2003-10-17 01:35:55 UTC

X-No-Archive: yes On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:05:19 +0200 (CEST),

Newsgroups: hfx.general
Subject: Re: Msn Chat Changes

Post by Mike MacKenzie-Jamer
What ever happened to irc?

I gave up on it when some potty-mouthed woman decided she wanted

I suppose that the feature called /ignore NICK was too much to use?

Post by FrankBeens
didn't know about /nickserv register NICK commands to aleviate the
problem?

Knew about both but not all nets allow for registration of nicks.
The one we were both on was one of those. As for ignoring her, someone
who REALLY wants to bug you will just keep changing their nick. Of
course, I did learn about a nick recovery script.
Cut that immature attitude. I was around IRC for years before I gave
up on it as did most people I know who were adults. There used to be a
lot of locals who participated and got together for the odd party. If
you haven't had any problems, good for you but it's losing its
popularity for a very good reason. Frank is right

If my attitude offended you then I can see why you never survived the
IRC. If you gathered in adult channels and got that kind of lip
service from 'immature' people, you were obviously in the wrong forum
for mature conversation.
You slam the whole of the IRC system in one lump while many of us
enjoy using that service and never encountered any problems. Broad
stroke comments usualy catches a lot of feedback, what else can you
expect?

Ignore Donna. Her whole life is oriented around whining and
complaining about what she doesn't or didn't like about this
or that, or playing the poor, maligned victim (which is her
most underestimated talent), or sniping at people who have
a better grip on life than she does.
In the seldom read Dante's EIGHTH level of Hell, there is
a dark and forboding room, into which the most unlucky
doomed souls are sentenced to an eternity with Donna,
Sheena MacKenzie and the recently departed Barb Amero.

It sounds like you have a problem relating to women. Lumping these
three into the same group is just silly. Each is totally different,
and Amero stands in a class all by herself. Anyone familiar with its
history could see that. Donna and Sheena are cool. It sounds like you
are threatened by them. Hiding behind an anon server doesn't help your
credibility any, btw.
Cheers,
John

Post by futureworlds
The mere thought of a fate like that ought to spark a
true spiritual revival from one end of this godforsaken
province to another.

Donna Whitman

2003-10-17 09:23:04 UTC

Post by blah
X-No-Archive: yes On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:05:19 +0200 (CEST),

Newsgroups: hfx.general
Subject: Re: Msn Chat Changes

Post by Mike MacKenzie-Jamer
What ever happened to irc?

I gave up on it when some potty-mouthed woman decided she wanted

I suppose that the feature called /ignore NICK was too much to use?

Post by FrankBeens
didn't know about /nickserv register NICK commands to aleviate the
problem?

Knew about both but not all nets allow for registration of nicks.
The one we were both on was one of those. As for ignoring her, someone
who REALLY wants to bug you will just keep changing their nick. Of
course, I did learn about a nick recovery script.
Cut that immature attitude. I was around IRC for years before I gave
up on it as did most people I know who were adults. There used to be a
lot of locals who participated and got together for the odd party. If
you haven't had any problems, good for you but it's losing its
popularity for a very good reason. Frank is right

If my attitude offended you then I can see why you never survived the
IRC. If you gathered in adult channels and got that kind of lip
service from 'immature' people, you were obviously in the wrong forum
for mature conversation.
You slam the whole of the IRC system in one lump while many of us
enjoy using that service and never encountered any problems. Broad
stroke comments usualy catches a lot of feedback, what else can you
expect?

Ignore Donna. Her whole life is oriented around whining and
complaining about what she doesn't or didn't like about this
or that, or playing the poor, maligned victim (which is her
most underestimated talent), or sniping at people who have
a better grip on life than she does.
In the seldom read Dante's EIGHTH level of Hell, there is
a dark and forboding room, into which the most unlucky
doomed souls are sentenced to an eternity with Donna,
Sheena MacKenzie and the recently departed Barb Amero.

The only thing that all three of us have in common is probably
that we all thing Speirs is an idiot and weren't afraid to say so.
This IS Speirs, BTW.

FrankBeens

2003-10-17 14:13:30 UTC

Post by blah
It sounds like you have a problem relating to women. Lumping these
three into the same group is just silly. Each is totally different,
and Amero stands in a class all by herself. Anyone familiar with its
history could see that. Donna and Sheena are cool. It sounds like you
are threatened by them. Hiding behind an anon server doesn't help your
credibility any, btw.
Cheers,
John

The only thing that all three of us have in common is probably
that we all thing Speirs is an idiot and weren't afraid to say so.
This IS Speirs, BTW.

I'm sorry, are you saying Speirs grew tits and goes by the name of
Donna?! Or that Donna lost her tits and became Speirs? Or is there
another possibility too scary to imagine.. where's that stake!!

George Orwell

2003-10-17 14:45:23 UTC

From: ***@hfx.eastlink.ca (Donna Whitman)
Newsgroups: hfx.general
Subject: Re: MSN Chat Changes

In Act III, John Van Gurp, in his alias of "blah",
apparently no longer using his former alias of

Post by blah
It sounds like you have a problem relating to women.
Lumping these three into the same group is just silly.
Each is totally different, and Amero stands in a class
all by herself. Anyone familiar with its history could
see that. Donna and Sheena are cool. It sounds like you
are threatened by them. Hiding behind an anon server
doesn't help your credibility any, btw.
Cheers,
John

Thank you John Van Gurp <***@chebucto.ns.ca> for your
ignorant and traditionally insipid observations.

Post by blah
The only thing that all three of us have in common
is probably that we all thing Speirs is an idiot and

^
k

Post by blah
weren't afraid to say so. This IS Speirs, BTW.

Of course Dear Donna. Every person who looks at you
cross-eyed is Speirs. Your problem Donna Whitman
is that you see Robert J.N. Speirs in every shadow.

A boring and pointless life such as yours often
leads to neurosis and paranoia such as exhibited
in your kneejerk assumptions that any poster that
you cannot identify must (by your logic) be Speirs.

Two words for you, dear dimwitted Donna:

Professional counseling.

Today would not be too soon. Unburden yourself.

Donna Whitman

2003-10-17 15:53:02 UTC

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:45:23 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell

Newsgroups: hfx.general
Subject: Re: MSN Chat Changes
In Act III, John Van Gurp, in his alias of "blah",
apparently no longer using his former alias of

Post by blah
It sounds like you have a problem relating to women.
Lumping these three into the same group is just silly.
Each is totally different, and Amero stands in a class
all by herself. Anyone familiar with its history could
see that. Donna and Sheena are cool. It sounds like you
are threatened by them. Hiding behind an anon server
doesn't help your credibility any, btw.
Cheers,
John

ignorant and traditionally insipid observations.

Post by blah
The only thing that all three of us have in common
is probably that we all thing Speirs is an idiot and

^
k

Post by blah
weren't afraid to say so. This IS Speirs, BTW.

Of course Dear Donna. Every person who looks at you
cross-eyed is Speirs. Your problem Donna Whitman
is that you see Robert J.N. Speirs in every shadow.
A boring and pointless life such as yours often
leads to neurosis and paranoia such as exhibited
in your kneejerk assumptions that any poster that
you cannot identify must (by your logic) be Speirs.
Professional counseling.
Today would not be too soon. Unburden yourself.

Keep trying. I'd give it a 2/10 on the troll meter. :-)

FrankBeens

2003-10-17 19:19:49 UTC

Post by George Orwell
A boring and pointless life such as yours often
leads to neurosis and paranoia such as exhibited
in your kneejerk assumptions that any poster that
you cannot identify must (by your logic) be Speirs.
Professional counseling.
Today would not be too soon. Unburden yourself.

Keep trying. I'd give it a 2/10 on the troll meter. :-)

But Donna, most of us think you as higher on troll look-a-like meter..

OH WAIT, sorry, I missread that last one.. sorry.. forgive me.. you're
the witch right?

Krusty the Klown

2003-10-17 20:42:31 UTC

Newsgroups: hfx.general
Subject: Re: MSN Chat Changes

Keep trying. I'd give it a 2/10 on the troll meter. :-)

But Donna, most of us think you as higher on troll
look-a-like meter..
OH WAIT, sorry, I missread that last one.. sorry..
forgive me.. you're the witch right?

Oh please don't give Donna a hard time, she leads a
hard life with SUCH a burden upon her weary shoulders.
Usenet is her only outlet in lieu of a normal social
life. How very sad that is.

Let us all endeavour to humour and indulge Donna so
that her feelings might be spared. Beneath her perky
and original rebuttals lies a very lonely woman who
aches for physical intimacy, no matter how tawdry.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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The original sender is unknown. Any address shown in the From header
is unverified.

L***@florence.it

2003-10-17 21:55:23 UTC

Post by Krusty the Klown

Newsgroups: hfx.general
Subject: Re: MSN Chat Changes

Keep trying. I'd give it a 2/10 on the troll meter. :-)

But Donna, most of us think you as higher on troll
look-a-like meter..
OH WAIT, sorry, I missread that last one.. sorry..
forgive me.. you're the witch right?

Oh please don't give Donna a hard time, she leads a
hard life with SUCH a burden upon her weary shoulders.
Usenet is her only outlet in lieu of a normal social
life. How very sad that is.
Let us all endeavour to humour and indulge Donna so
that her feelings might be spared. Beneath her perky
and original rebuttals lies a very lonely woman who
aches for physical intimacy, no matter how tawdry.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This message was posted via one or more anonymous remailing services.
The original sender is unknown. Any address shown in the From header
is unverified.

It would be nice if this moron stopped posting to his own posts.
What a bore.

Donna Whitman

2003-10-17 22:30:21 UTC

Post by L***@florence.it
It would be nice if this moron stopped posting to his own posts.
What a bore.

Awww ... let the poor guy talk to himself. No one else will talk to
him. ;-)

blah

2003-10-17 23:19:20 UTC

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:30:21 GMT, ***@NOSPAM.hfx.eastlink.ca
(Donna Whitman) wrote:

{On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:55:23 -0300, ***@florence.it wrote:
{
{>On 17 Oct 2003 20:42:31 -0000, Anonymous-***@See.Comment.Header
{>(Krusty the Klown) wrote:
{
{>It would be nice if this moron stopped posting to his own posts.
{>What a bore.
{
{ Awww ... let the poor guy talk to himself. No one else will talk
to
{him. ;-)

I hear he spends a good deal of time with the Palm sisters.

FrankBeens

2003-10-18 04:23:35 UTC

Post by L***@florence.it

Post by Krusty the Klown

Newsgroups: hfx.general
Subject: Re: MSN Chat Changes

Keep trying. I'd give it a 2/10 on the troll meter. :-)

But Donna, most of us think you as higher on troll
look-a-like meter..
OH WAIT, sorry, I missread that last one.. sorry..
forgive me.. you're the witch right?

Oh please don't give Donna a hard time, she leads a
hard life with SUCH a burden upon her weary shoulders.
Usenet is her only outlet in lieu of a normal social
life. How very sad that is.
Let us all endeavour to humour and indulge Donna so
that her feelings might be spared. Beneath her perky
and original rebuttals lies a very lonely woman who
aches for physical intimacy, no matter how tawdry.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This message was posted via one or more anonymous remailing services.
The original sender is unknown. Any address shown in the From header
is unverified.

It would be nice if this moron stopped posting to his own posts.
What a bore.

It would be nicer if morons would stop thinking that other morons are
posting to their own posts.. Me and this anon sot are three different
people if you didn't notice before..

Stake anyone?

FrankBeens

2003-10-18 04:22:19 UTC

Post by Krusty the Klown

Post by FrankBeens
But Donna, most of us think you as higher on troll
look-a-like meter..
OH WAIT, sorry, I missread that last one.. sorry..
forgive me.. you're the witch right?

So you mean if I play my cards right there might be a chance?!

blah

2003-10-17 23:17:57 UTC

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:45:23 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
<***@mixmaster.it> wrote:

{From: ***@hfx.eastlink.ca (Donna Whitman)
{Newsgroups: hfx.general
{Subject: Re: MSN Chat Changes
{
{In Act III, John Van Gurp, in his alias of "blah",
{apparently no longer using his former alias of
{"gorgonzola2924", said:
{
{>It sounds like you have a problem relating to women.
{>Lumping these three into the same group is just silly.
{>Each is totally different, and Amero stands in a class
{>all by herself. Anyone familiar with its history could
{>see that. Donna and Sheena are cool. It sounds like you
{>are threatened by them. Hiding behind an anon server
{>doesn't help your credibility any, btw.
{>Cheers,
{>John
{
{Thank you John Van Gurp <***@chebucto.ns.ca> for your
{ignorant and traditionally insipid observations.
{
{Then, Despairing, Dithering Donna opined:
{
{>The only thing that all three of us have in common
{>is probably that we all thing Speirs is an idiot and
{ ^
{ k
{
{>weren't afraid to say so. This IS Speirs, BTW.
{
{Of course Dear Donna. Every person who looks at you
{cross-eyed is Speirs. Your problem Donna Whitman
{is that you see Robert J.N. Speirs in every shadow.
{
{A boring and pointless life such as yours often
{leads to neurosis and paranoia such as exhibited
{in your kneejerk assumptions that any poster that
{you cannot identify must (by your logic) be Speirs.
{
{Two words for you, dear dimwitted Donna:
{
{Professional counseling.
{
{Today would not be too soon. Unburden yourself.

Oh my god... it really is Speirs! Nobody else could be that anal.

L***@florence.it

2003-10-17 23:42:57 UTC

Post by Donna Whitman
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:45:23 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell
{Newsgroups: hfx.general
{Subject: Re: MSN Chat Changes
{
{In Act III, John Van Gurp, in his alias of "blah",
{apparently no longer using his former alias of
{
{>It sounds like you have a problem relating to women.
{>Lumping these three into the same group is just silly.
{>Each is totally different, and Amero stands in a class
{>all by herself. Anyone familiar with its history could
{>see that. Donna and Sheena are cool. It sounds like you
{>are threatened by them. Hiding behind an anon server
{>doesn't help your credibility any, btw.
{>Cheers,
{>John
{
{ignorant and traditionally insipid observations.
{
{
{>The only thing that all three of us have in common
{>is probably that we all thing Speirs is an idiot and
{ ^
{ k
{
{>weren't afraid to say so. This IS Speirs, BTW.
{
{Of course Dear Donna. Every person who looks at you
{cross-eyed is Speirs. Your problem Donna Whitman
{is that you see Robert J.N. Speirs in every shadow.
{
{A boring and pointless life such as yours often
{leads to neurosis and paranoia such as exhibited
{in your kneejerk assumptions that any poster that
{you cannot identify must (by your logic) be Speirs.
{
{
{Professional counseling.
{
{Today would not be too soon. Unburden yourself.
Oh my god... it really is Speirs! Nobody else could be that anal.

It's the hangups with people's addresses etc. stands out a mile.
Just shows you can try to morph your name, use an anonymous remailer
but that they still stink the same.

Frank E. Spencer

2003-10-16 22:27:21 UTC

Post by FrankBeens
If my attitude offended you then I can see why you never survived the
IRC. If you gathered in adult channels and got that kind of lip
service from 'immature' people, you were obviously in the wrong forum
for mature conversation.
You slam the whole of the IRC system in one lump while many of us
enjoy using that service and never encountered any problems. Broad
stroke comments usualy catches a lot of feedback, what else can you
expect?

I'm still on IRC from time to time if there is a reason for me to bother.

It's still the same crap. As for Donna being in the wrong forum, those
little punks used to make it their mission to go around disrupting as many
channels as they possibly could. That was the point. That was the game they
played.

There are ways to screw up, and undo everything on IRC. Lock the channel,
password protect it, it doesn't matter. I've watched people break into
channels, take control over them, kill the channel and then restart it under
bot control so you can't restart.

These aren't broad strokes. I lived and worked through the so-called IRC
wars. To some extent they are still going on, and it is still being done by
a lot of immature little punks with nothing better to do that screw things
up for other people.

FrankBeens

2003-10-17 01:36:57 UTC

Post by Frank E. Spencer
I'm still on IRC from time to time if there is a reason for me to bother.
It's still the same crap. As for Donna being in the wrong forum, those
little punks used to make it their mission to go around disrupting as many
channels as they possibly could. That was the point. That was the game they
played.
There are ways to screw up, and undo everything on IRC. Lock the channel,
password protect it, it doesn't matter. I've watched people break into
channels, take control over them, kill the channel and then restart it under
bot control so you can't restart.

Geesus, go to a proper freaking IRC server then.. who's or what server
system was that on? Even DalNet at it;s worse was hard to knacker away
at.. Efnet?

Post by Frank E. Spencer
These aren't broad strokes. I lived and worked through the so-called IRC
wars. To some extent they are still going on, and it is still being done by
a lot of immature little punks with nothing better to do that screw things
up for other people.

Them little punks are all now adults.. scary thought eh?

Frank E. Spencer

2003-10-17 09:20:44 UTC

Post by FrankBeens
Geesus, go to a proper freaking IRC server then.. who's or what server
system was that on? Even DalNet at it;s worse was hard to knacker away
at.. Efnet?

All of them. Every freaking one of them. No matter which servers. It can all
still be done. This isn't new, it's just that there are not as many people
doing it.
DalNet, and EffNet were some of the worst back in the day.

Them little punks are all now adults.. scary thought eh?

Well, a lot of the ones doing it today are really snot nosed little punks.
Many of the people who were doing it years ago gave it up because they
realized how idiotic it was. However, I am sure some of them just never
matured.

Those are the ones that scare me.

FrankBeens

2003-10-17 14:12:18 UTC

Post by Frank E. Spencer
All of them. Every freaking one of them. No matter which servers. It can all
still be done. This isn't new, it's just that there are not as many people
doing it. DalNet, and EffNet were some of the worst back in the day.

Mantalk about holding a grudge.. history eats at your soul doesn't
it.. I wonder if your channel wasn't one of those we walked through,
tipped over the garbage cans, left a monicker and laughed as the ex
chan owner screamed all bloody hell.. Just curious. Sounds right
though. No seriously, I never lost a channel to a child or to a haX0r
(wanna be hoodlums). Never happened.

Post by FrankBeens
Them little punks are all now adults.. scary thought eh?

Yep and usualy when you find out who they are, you can confront them
in person and watch them pee their pants when they finaly realise that
for every action, there is a nasty fucking reaction when they get
caught or found out... Don't be shy, just let them know with all your
pent up fury.. you'll feel MUCH better afterwards.. I know I do

Frank E. Spencer

2003-10-16 22:22:57 UTC

Post by Mike MacKenzie-Jamer
What ever happened to irc?

I suppose that the feature called /ignore NICK was too much to use? Or
didn't know about /nickserv register NICK commands to aleviate the
problem?
I've been using the IRC for over 8 years now and haven't encountered
more than a few problems you guys are describing.. Then again, it must
be the company you keep when running through the IRC halls :P

I had my nic registered. Some jackass managed to get my registration yanked.
In addition, a lot of the problems I had were a few years back, when the
entire IRC war thing was going on.

It's nothing to do with the company you keep. It's just whether you are
lucky enough to be ignored or not.

FrankBeens

2003-10-17 01:35:13 UTC

Post by FrankBeens
I've been using the IRC for over 8 years now and haven't encountered
more than a few problems you guys are describing.. Then again, it must
be the company you keep when running through the IRC halls :P

I had my nic registered. Some jackass managed to get my registration yanked.
In addition, a lot of the problems I had were a few years back, when the
entire IRC war thing was going on.
It's nothing to do with the company you keep. It's just whether you are
lucky enough to be ignored or not.

Ahh if you're refering to the IRC 10 years ago, then year, channel
wars and nick wars were prevalent.. so was fake dial up pings to shut
down the other person's modem (ahh the days them were =)

Frank E. Spencer

2003-10-17 09:26:06 UTC

Post by FrankBeens
Ahh if you're refering to the IRC 10 years ago, then year, channel
wars and nick wars were prevalent.. so was fake dial up pings to shut
down the other person's modem (ahh the days them were =)

It was a nightmare then, and most of that crap can still be done. I have
seen packet sniffers that can overload a system, lock it up and blow you
off-line. I have seen bot software that self encrypts, and continues to
cycle through passwords.
All manner of things. I think that I still have some of the old stuff around
and much of it still works. Some of this new software though is scary.

Have you seen or heard tell of the new trojan "The Beast"? You should look
it up. This thing is a nightmare. Almost nothing can detect it, and it also
disables and in many cases destroys AV software, firewalls, and some
anti-trojan software.
In the case of Norton AV Pro 2003, it was scrambled so it could not be
restarted. I believe the same happens to McAffee.

This coming year is going to be hell on-line.

FrankBeens

2003-10-17 14:19:11 UTC

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:26:06 GMT, "Frank E. Spencer"

Post by Frank E. Spencer
Have you seen or heard tell of the new trojan "The Beast"? You should look
it up. This thing is a nightmare. Almost nothing can detect it, and it also
disables and in many cases destroys AV software, firewalls, and some
anti-trojan software.
In the case of Norton AV Pro 2003, it was scrambled so it could not be
restarted. I believe the same happens to McAffee.
This coming year is going to be hell on-line.

yep no shit.. Strong defenses, sense of presences and comon sense
approach to stuff will reduce a lot of the risks.. but people like
Eastlink are gonna go down in flames since they never learned to
properly secure their servers.. they know what I mean. You can actualy
relay through some of their servers if you know how and have a need
to. Nice spam marketing services provided by your own ISP.

Now the nice thing about hackers is that they need to brag about it to
someone.. even someone out to fake their creds will boast of being the
owner of some stunt knowing (hoping) no one challenges them to prove
it. It doesn't take much to scare these people into the straight and
narrow and letting them know that though they might think they are
invulnerable behind the computer as they wreak havoc and mayhem on
others, as soon as they step out of their homes they are now victims
to our reality where payback is a Mo'Fo. Seen that happen to a Dal
Student last year. Was caught hacking away at some local sites and had
the audacity to brag about it.. Someone paid him a visit and that was
the last of that.. he's using pencils and papers now. There are a few
stories like that I am sure you're aware of, heard of..

Not suggesting vigilantism oh no.. nothing like that..

Frank E. Spencer

2003-10-16 22:18:43 UTC

Post by Donna Whitman
I gave up on it when some potty-mouthed woman decided she wanted to
use the same nick as I'd been using for years and would get REALLY
nasty if I logged on first with it. Yeah, could have changed my nick
but I was disenchanted with it at that point anyway.

Oh yeah, I know all about that. The Romstar nic has been used by me for
about 15 years. In that time almost nobody has tried to use it.
Except this asshole somewhere in the states.
He even managed to get my NIC registration yanked with some sort of dirty
trick. That took me a while to fix, and then it just happened again.

So, I am sick and tired of the crap. Too many f**k wads out there these
days, and it just isn't worth it unless it's doing something for you.

Donna Whitman

2003-10-16 23:05:28 UTC

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:18:43 GMT, "Frank E. Spencer"

Oh yeah, I know all about that. The Romstar nic has been used by me for
about 15 years. In that time almost nobody has tried to use it.
Except this asshole somewhere in the states.
He even managed to get my NIC registration yanked with some sort of dirty
trick. That took me a while to fix, and then it just happened again.
So, I am sick and tired of the crap. Too many f**k wads out there these
days, and it just isn't worth it unless it's doing something for you.

Sad, isn't it. There used to be a lot of adults who used it. There
were channels like 35+, 50+ and even 60+ where the conversation was
friendly and civilized. Yes, there were kids, perverts and dickheads
on there too but everyone seemed to keep out of each other's way. Now
the lunatics have taken over the asylum and it's not worth my time.
Not sure where people can go who just want friendly chats.

Frank E. Spencer

2003-10-16 23:18:15 UTC

Post by Donna Whitman
Sad, isn't it. There used to be a lot of adults who used it. There
were channels like 35+, 50+ and even 60+ where the conversation was
friendly and civilized. Yes, there were kids, perverts and dickheads
on there too but everyone seemed to keep out of each other's way. Now
the lunatics have taken over the asylum and it's not worth my time.
Not sure where people can go who just want friendly chats.

That's what I was trying to explain to Beens.
They don't stay away anymore. They intentionally come and harasses you.
That's what makes it not worth bothering.
Some people have told me it's mostly calmed down, and it seems from the
times I have been back on that things are quieter than they once were.
However, I have heard of, and still seen a few things like the stuff we
remember.
The worse part is that a lot of people have the mistaken impression that an
invitation only channel, or a password protected channel makes a difference.
They don't. I have seen these kids blow into a private passworded channel,
kick everyone, take over the functions, and then kill the channel and
restart it with a bot.
Then, your channel name is gone, and he gloats about it.

FrankBeens

2003-10-17 01:42:39 UTC

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:18:15 GMT, "Frank E. Spencer"

and then you MOVE ON and stop whining about it.. it's just the fact
that you're so infuriated that he gloats over it.. hell, I'll come
over tonight and tip over your garbage cans just to watch you jump up
and down and stammer at the deed done.

FrankBeens

2003-10-17 01:41:04 UTC

Post by Frank E. Spencer
So, I am sick and tired of the crap. Too many f**k wads out there these
days, and it just isn't worth it unless it's doing something for you.

I'll chat you up anytime.. pick a subject and we'll keep the wolves
away..

FrankBeens

2003-10-17 01:34:12 UTC

Post by Frank E. Spencer
Oh yeah, I know all about that. The Romstar nic has been used by me for
about 15 years. In that time almost nobody has tried to use it.
Except this asshole somewhere in the states.
He even managed to get my NIC registration yanked with some sort of dirty
trick. That took me a while to fix, and then it just happened again.
So, I am sick and tired of the crap. Too many f**k wads out there these
days, and it just isn't worth it unless it's doing something for you.

and yet you couldn't proceed with another nick, was that romstar so
dear to you? I dunno, must be the circle of people you run with
causing a lot of that =)

Frank E. Spencer

2003-10-17 09:47:13 UTC

Post by FrankBeens
and yet you couldn't proceed with another nick, was that romstar so
dear to you? I dunno, must be the circle of people you run with
causing a lot of that =)

It's also the registered name of my company. Has been for years.
In addition, in a place where the only real thing you have is your name, an
established nic is a very important thing.

People who pick up and discard nics without any regard do a disservice to
the very idea of IRC, and that is the free exchange of ideas, and the
willingness to be accountable for your words.

When you logged into any channel, and saw the same nics over and over you
had a very good idea of who you were talking to. You got a feel for that
person based on how often you spoke with them. Having someone else steal
your nic on IRC is like having someone steal your wallet and pretend they
are you.

FrankBeens

2003-10-17 14:33:53 UTC

Post by Frank E. Spencer
It's also the registered name of my company. Has been for years.
In addition, in a place where the only real thing you have is your name, an
established nic is a very important thing.

See, this is where I always had a problem with people online in the
IRC.. you own nothing! Nothing belongs to you. If you go in and use
the same nic day after day after nauseating day and then I happen to
come along and out of a fluke (or not) happen to fancy that nic, and
then I register that nic so I would have the sole use of it.. does
THAT constitue me 'stealing' your nic? no, it only points out how
silly the loser is for not taking the basic step to RTFM the IRC and
registering their own nic. If you nic is 'stolen' by a hack or
attack, then you write out your complaint with accompanying support to
the COPS and go through that process and you get your nic back..

But, gees, never assume you 'own' anything in IRC cause you never do..
I've had the same nick for the last 8 years on two server systems and
never lost them. Why? Because =)

Post by Frank E. Spencer
People who pick up and discard nics without any regard do a disservice to
the very idea of IRC, and that is the free exchange of ideas, and the
willingness to be accountable for your words.

Yeah there's another one.. accountability.. doesn't exist to a certain
degree online.. example: in here I can basicaly tell you to take a
flying F through a pane of glass and be done with it.. hurt your
feelings, make you cry and act like an asshole (well I do what I do
best right) and there is no accountability to my words. However,
should a person be stupid enough to 'utter threats' to you in
specific, then watch what the law says about accountability and see
how quickly Eastlink turns over the info so someone can be arrested
for breaking the law.. yeah, that's happened in this newsgroup itself
not long ago.

But in general, it would be a nice world if everyone played nice and
talked nice and exchanged ideas and could have fun.. but face it..
that would be boring.. it's the ability to ignore idiots and assholes
which makes it a real fun.

Say what you want to me, about me or of me, and I can walk away and
carry on with what ever else I was working on.. and I am sure you can
too.. but you know as well as *I* do that there are people who's whole
basis of self esteem is based on what is said to them, how people
relate to them online.. man these people need to get out more. Oh and
look at me.. I'm babbling and need to get out, don't I?!

FrankBeens

2003-10-16 13:02:00 UTC

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:21:05 GMT, "Frank E. Spencer"

Post by Mike MacKenzie-Jamer
What ever happened to irc?

Idiot kids with bad attitudes and foul mouths.
Bots, posturing, more idiocy and simple greedy bastards.
I've had morons kill channels, flood channels, bot channels, and all manner
of bullshit simply because they think they're some 'leet haxor and you
should somehow do what they say.

Obviously you need to pick better moderated (OPS) channels and stop
hanging with the l33t hax0rs. No one forces you to participate in
anything you don't want to or not enjoy, have the freedom of choice
and move on..

Frank E. Spencer

2003-10-16 22:31:22 UTC

Post by Donna Whitman
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:21:05 GMT, "Frank E. Spencer"

Post by Mike MacKenzie-Jamer
What ever happened to irc?

Idiot kids with bad attitudes and foul mouths.
Bots, posturing, more idiocy and simple greedy bastards.
I've had morons kill channels, flood channels, bot channels, and all manner
of bullshit simply because they think they're some 'leet haxor and you
should somehow do what they say.

Jesus Christ, you don't know a damn thing about how IRC works, or the tricks
you can pull on there do you?
Hanging with l33t hax0rs? You're out of your mind, I can't stand those
maladjusted fuckwad punks.

You may want to go and get a historical perspective of IRC, the way it
works, and the "IRC Wars" as they were sometimes called.
These fucktards forced themselves into channels, and then did all manner of
idiocy. Passwords and lock don't matter on IRC if you have the right tools.

FrankBeens

2003-10-17 01:40:08 UTC

Post by FrankBeens
Obviously you need to pick better moderated (OPS) channels and stop
hanging with the l33t hax0rs. No one forces you to participate in
anything you don't want to or not enjoy, have the freedom of choice
and move on..

Jesus Christ, you don't know a damn thing about how IRC works, or the tricks
you can pull on there do you?

Oh of course not, I'm a virgin on the IRC.. wide open ports and accept
all auto send DCC without virus scanning.. oh yeah, you're right.. woe
is me.. geesus lad, get a thought process working soon will ya, you're
boring me with your drivel whine.. cheeze anyone?

Post by Frank E. Spencer
Hanging with l33t hax0rs? You're out of your mind, I can't stand those
maladjusted fuckwad punks.

Ok, my apologies.. someone obviously made you cry on the IRC.. way
back then and you're still traumatised by it.. Ok, I'll back off..
wouldn't want to be the one responsible for nudging you over the
edge...

Post by Frank E. Spencer
You may want to go and get a historical perspective of IRC, the way it
works, and the "IRC Wars" as they were sometimes called.
These fucktards forced themselves into channels, and then did all manner of
idiocy. Passwords and lock don't matter on IRC if you have the right tools.

And the proper protection tools protected you. Geesus, did you guy
walk around with your dicks out all the time hoping the zipper didn't
catch you? No wonder you were traumatized so badly.

Frank E. Spencer

2003-10-17 09:51:14 UTC

Post by Frank E. Spencer
Jesus Christ, you don't know a damn thing about how IRC works, or the tricks
you can pull on there do you?

I got all the cheese I need. My thought process is just fine thanks.

Post by Frank E. Spencer
Hanging with l33t hax0rs? You're out of your mind, I can't stand those
maladjusted fuckwad punks.

Maded me cry? Fuck no, I just got sick and tired of having to deal with it.
There were better alternatives that couldn't be screwed with as easily.

And the proper protection tools protected you. Geesus, did you guy
walk around with your dicks out all the time hoping the zipper didn't
catch you? No wonder you were traumatized so badly.

No, the "proper" protection tools didn't do a goddamn thing. In many cases,
for them it was all about how hard it was to get in. The harder it was, the
harder they tried. Sometimes in droves.
It got to the point where it just wasn't worth it anymore.

I am still on IRC when I have a need to be, and it isn't as bad as it used
to be. I've seen it happen recently though, and the destruction of DalNet is
pretty much a result of these idiots messing with IRC.

FrankBeens

2003-10-17 14:37:08 UTC

Post by FrankBeens
Oh of course not, I'm a virgin on the IRC.. wide open ports and accept
all auto send DCC without virus scanning.. oh yeah, you're right.. woe
is me.. geesus lad, get a thought process working soon will ya, you're
boring me with your drivel whine.. cheeze anyone?

I got all the cheese I need. My thought process is just fine thanks.

Damn so this conversation is going to get boring now is it?

Post by Frank E. Spencer
Hanging with l33t hax0rs? You're out of your mind, I can't stand those
maladjusted fuckwad punks.

Maded me cry? Fuck no, I just got sick and tired of having to deal with it.
There were better alternatives that couldn't be screwed with as easily.

hehe, I can see it still does have some residual effects on you
though.. I'll pop over to the IRC and let them know..

Post by FrankBeens
And the proper protection tools protected you. Geesus, did you guy
walk around with your dicks out all the time hoping the zipper didn't
catch you? No wonder you were traumatized so badly.

Obviously you weren't using "THE" proper protection tools then,
right?!

Post by Frank E. Spencer
I am still on IRC when I have a need to be, and it isn't as bad as it used
to be. I've seen it happen recently though, and the destruction of DalNet is
pretty much a result of these idiots messing with IRC.

I would say it's more on the governing body not taking care of
business like they were supposed to with new security
implementations.. they sat on their arses for too long and lets the
inmates run the place to the ground.. Oh well..

I still enjoy the IRC everyday and never encountered a smidgen of the
problems you report.. wow.

FrankBeens

2003-10-16 13:00:24 UTC

Post by Mike MacKenzie-Jamer

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:42:03 -0300, Mike MacKenzie-Jamer

Post by Drummer
Fed up with GREEDY MSN.

What ever happened to irc?

IRC is still going strong and more people using it to chat, share
files (pics of storm) etc.. You just need to find the right network.

If you're looking for the DalNet server, they were basicaly abandoned
in force quite a few months ago due to many problems.

Frank E. Spencer

2003-10-16 22:32:44 UTC