science

Post by James Warren
I've been saying this for 15 years here but some still claim science
is dogmatism. Some still hold out hope that magic/divinity might yet
exist in the universe. Sigh.

That horse is dead. Really. Stone cold dead. You can beat it for
another 15 years, but it ain't getting up and running. Sigh away. :-)

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HRM Resident

James Warren

2024-05-01 19:56:07 UTC

Post by James Warren
I've been saying this for 15 years here but some still claim science
is dogmatism. Some still hold out hope that magic/divinity might yet
exist in the universe. Sigh.

That horse is dead. Really. Stone cold dead. You can beat it for
another 15 years, but it ain't getting up and running. Sigh away. :-)

Not dead at all. It is still true.

HRM Resident

2024-05-01 20:35:07 UTC

Post by James Warren
Not dead at all. It is still true.

I never said it wasn’t true. I said you are beating a dead
horse. You are as persistent as a carload of Jehovah’s
Witnesses. Live and let live. Stop preaching to everyone.
Who the heck are you to tell people how to think?

Monkey nuts!

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HRM Resident

James Warren

2024-05-01 20:45:34 UTC

Post by James Warren
Not dead at all. It is still true.

Oh, I'm not preaching. I am educating. But you can see it as you will.

James Warren

2024-05-01 21:49:51 UTC

Post by James Warren
Not dead at all. It is still true.

Oh, I'm not preaching. I am educating. But you can see it as you will.

"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change
your beliefs." Ricky Gervais.

"The lack is not in intelligence, which is in plentiful supply; rather,
the scarce commodity is systematic training in critical thinking." Carl
Sagan (1934-1996)

James Warren

2024-05-01 21:53:04 UTC

Post by James Warren
Not dead at all. It is still true.

Oh, I'm not preaching. I am educating. But you can see it as you will.

"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change
your beliefs." Ricky Gervais.
"The lack is not in intelligence, which is in plentiful supply; rather,
the scarce commodity is systematic training in critical thinking." Carl
Sagan (1934-1996)

"The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It
may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It
may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our
preferences do not determine what's true." Carl Sagan (1934-1996)

HRM Resident

2024-05-01 23:15:08 UTC

Post by James Warren
Not dead at all. It is still true.

Oh, I'm not preaching. I am educating. But you can see it as you will.

"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change
your beliefs." Ricky Gervais.
"The lack is not in intelligence, which is in plentiful supply; rather,
the scarce commodity is systematic training in critical thinking." Carl
Sagan (1934-1996)

Monkey nuts!

--
HRM Resident

James Warren

2024-05-02 00:21:28 UTC

Post by James Warren
Not dead at all. It is still true.

Oh, I'm not preaching. I am educating. But you can see it as you will.

"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change
your beliefs." Ricky Gervais.
"The lack is not in intelligence, which is in plentiful supply; rather,
the scarce commodity is systematic training in critical thinking." Carl
Sagan (1934-1996)

Monkey nuts!

I agree with you that dismissing distressing ideas is a good way to
avoid cognitive dissonance. Thinking is hard.

HRM Resident

2024-05-02 00:43:49 UTC

Post by James Warren
Not dead at all. It is still true.

Oh, I'm not preaching. I am educating. But you can see it as you will.

"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change
your beliefs." Ricky Gervais.
"The lack is not in intelligence, which is in plentiful supply; rather,
the scarce commodity is systematic training in critical thinking." Carl
Sagan (1934-1996)

Monkey nuts!

I agree with you that dismissing distressing ideas is a good way to
avoid cognitive dissonance. Thinking is hard.

Monkey nuts!

--
HRM Resident

James Warren

2024-05-02 01:44:39 UTC

Post by James Warren
Not dead at all. It is still true.

Oh, I'm not preaching. I am educating. But you can see it as you will.

"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change
your beliefs." Ricky Gervais.
"The lack is not in intelligence, which is in plentiful supply; rather,
the scarce commodity is systematic training in critical thinking." Carl
Sagan (1934-1996)

Monkey nuts!

I agree with you that dismissing distressing ideas is a good way to
avoid cognitive dissonance. Thinking is hard.

"Physics isn't a religion. If it were, we'd have a much easier time
raising money." Leon M. Lederman (1922-2018)

James Warren

2024-05-02 01:47:17 UTC

Post by James Warren
Not dead at all. It is still true.

Oh, I'm not preaching. I am educating. But you can see it as you will.

"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change
your beliefs." Ricky Gervais.
"The lack is not in intelligence, which is in plentiful supply; rather,
the scarce commodity is systematic training in critical thinking." Carl
Sagan (1934-1996)

Monkey nuts!

I agree with you that dismissing distressing ideas is a good way to
avoid cognitive dissonance. Thinking is hard.

"Physics isn't a religion. If it were, we'd have a much easier time
raising money." Leon M. Lederman (1922-2018)

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled
long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no
longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured
us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that
we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost
never get it back." Carl Sagan (1934-1996)

HRM Resident

2024-05-01 23:14:40 UTC

Post by James Warren
Not dead at all. It is still true.

Oh, I'm not preaching. I am educating. But you can see it as you will.

"Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change
your beliefs." Ricky Gervais.
"The lack is not in intelligence, which is in plentiful supply; rather,
the scarce commodity is systematic training in critical thinking." Carl
Sagan (1934-1996)

Monkey nuts!

--
HRM Resident

HRM Resident

2024-05-01 23:13:56 UTC

Post by James Warren
Not dead at all. It is still true.

Oh, I'm not preaching. I am educating. But you can see it as you will.

Monkey nuts!

--
HRM Resident

James Warren

2024-05-01 23:15:22 UTC

Post by James Warren
Not dead at all. It is still true.

Oh, I'm not preaching. I am educating. But you can see it as you will.

Monkey nuts!

Concise, erudite comeback.

HRM Resident

2024-05-02 00:43:50 UTC

Post by James Warren
Not dead at all. It is still true.

Oh, I'm not preaching. I am educating. But you can see it as you will.

Monkey nuts!

Concise, erudite comeback.

Monkey nuts!

--
HRM Resident

James Warren

2024-05-02 01:42:36 UTC

Post by James Warren
Not dead at all. It is still true.

Oh, I'm not preaching. I am educating. But you can see it as you will.

Monkey nuts!

Concise, erudite comeback.

Monkey nuts!

The man of copious verbiage suddenly has nothing to say. Interesting.

HRM Resident

2024-05-02 10:20:39 UTC

Post by James Warren
The man of copious verbiage suddenly has nothing to
say. Interesting.

I am just demonstrating how silly you are. Repeating the
same thing for 15 years to get an argument going is dumb.
People who agree with you (like me) don’t need your “help.”

People who disagree with you won’t change their mind.
As I said, you are annoying as a carload of Jehovah’s
Witnesses. At least they stop for a year or so before they
return. Maybe like them, with you, “Hope springs eternal.”

So: Monkey nuts!

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HRM Resident

James Warren

2024-05-02 11:27:12 UTC

Post by James Warren
The man of copious verbiage suddenly has nothing to
say. Interesting.

I am just demonstrating how silly you are. Repeating the
same thing for 15 years to get an argument going is dumb.
People who agree with you (like me) don’t need your “help.”
People who disagree with you won’t change their mind.
As I said, you are annoying as a carload of Jehovah’s
Witnesses. At least they stop for a year or so before they
return. Maybe like them, with you, “Hope springs eternal.”
So: Monkey nuts!

So, back to the weather then. It's gonna be a nice warm Spring day today.

HRM Resident

2024-05-02 13:29:39 UTC

Post by James Warren
So, back to the weather then. It's gonna be a nice warm Spring day today.

Yes, very nice. I'm making a steel leaf today. You have to do it
wrong several times to get it right. Wish I had met/apprenticed with
Mike 25-30 years ago. He'd reduce my trial and error learning. As
previously mentioned, I went to a gathering of the Maritime Blacksmiths
Association in November and I mentioned his name. All of them agreed he
was the best they'd ever seen when he was in his prime.

Anyhow, it's good weather for this as it's not too cold, not too
hot, and not too windy. Beautiful weather for any kind of outdoor work.
If I get it down pat, I can make you a steel doghouse with leaf
decorations and fleur-de-lis hinges - I'm sure you'll spend a lot of
time in it when you annoy your wife too much. :-)

Note to Mike if you are reading this: A few days ago I was rooting
around in my shed and I found a treasure. I have two full cans of the
old MAPP Gas (methylacetylene-propadiene propane) that I bought 20+
years ago. I have to use it sparingly as there ain't gonna be anymore
available. All we can get today is Map-Pro
(methylacetylene-propadiene.)

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HRM Resident

James Warren

2024-05-02 14:48:54 UTC

Post by James Warren
So, back to the weather then. It's gonna be a nice warm Spring day today.

It sure beats contemplating the nature of reality, but I can do that in
a dog house too. :)

Post by HRM Resident
Note to Mike if you are reading this: A few days ago I was rooting
around in my shed and I found a treasure. I have two full cans of the
old MAPP Gas (methylacetylene-propadiene propane) that I bought 20+
years ago. I have to use it sparingly as there ain't gonna be anymore
available. All we can get today is Map-Pro
(methylacetylene-propadiene.)

HRM Resident

2024-05-03 00:08:47 UTC

Post by James Warren
It sure beats contemplating the nature of reality, but I can
do that in a dog house too. :)

It is a special doghouse, with the same properties as
Schrodinger’s cat box. I make them from Chinaium, not
steel. Interesting things will happen when your wife opens
it to let you out. :-)

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HRM Resident

James Warren

2024-05-03 02:35:16 UTC

Post by James Warren
It sure beats contemplating the nature of reality, but I can
do that in a dog house too. :)

It is a special doghouse, with the same properties as
Schrodinger’s cat box. I make them from Chinaium, not
steel. Interesting things will happen when your wife opens
it to let you out. :-)

Will she suddenly find me wealthy? She would like that. :)

HRM Resident

2024-05-03 11:07:33 UTC

Post by James Warren
Will she suddenly find me wealthy? She would like that. :)

These things depend on probability and statistics, but I
think one possibility is it will break the quantum entanglement.

If it does, with apologies to Martin Luther King, I suspect
she would run down the street screaming, “Free at last!,
Free at last!, Free at last!” :-)

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HRM Resident

James Warren

2024-05-03 11:47:04 UTC

Post by James Warren
Will she suddenly find me wealthy? She would like that. :)

These things depend on probability and statistics, but I
think one possibility is it will break the quantum entanglement.
If it does, with apologies to Martin Luther King, I suspect
she would run down the street screaming, “Free at last!,
Free at last!, Free at last!” :-)

You might be right! :)

Mike Spencer

2024-05-02 06:44:02 UTC

Post by James Warren
"Science is best defined as a careful, disciplined, logical search for
knowledge about any and all aspects of the universe, obtained by
examination of the best available evidence and always subject to
correction and improvement upon discovery of better evidence. What's
left is magic, and it doesn't work." James Randi (1928-2020)
I've been saying this for 15 years here but some still claim science is
dogmatism. Some still hold out hope that magic/divinity might yet exist
in the universe. Sigh.

And others -- many others in academia AIUI but I might be wrong -- are
post-modernists who assert that truth is culturally determined. That
puts magic, theology, physics and the beliefs held to be certainies by
the MAGA cult all on the same plane.

Remember Alan Sokal's "Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a
Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity"?

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Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

James Warren

2024-05-02 10:18:26 UTC