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Judge Gale Welsh? NICE WORK (NOT)
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ElectroVox
2003-09-05 22:42:23 UTC
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Canadian judge let Killer-Mom Turner free despite U.S. warning

via CBC (c)

Fri, 05 Sep 2003

ST. JOHN'S - Court officials in Newfoundland disagreed
with those in Pennsylvania about the wisdom of letting
Dr. Shirley Turner free on bail pending her trial for
murder.

In hindsight, the U.S. judge was right.

Turner drowned her 13-month-old son and herself last month
in what police in St. John's have called a murder-suicide.

At the time, she was free on bail while fighting extradition
to Pennsylvania on charges of murdering her former lover.

New court documents released after a publication ban was
lifted show that Newfoundland Justice Gale Welsh believed
Turner, 41, wasn't a threat to society, despite the murder
charges awaiting her in Pennsylvania.

Turner's former lover Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28, was shot five
times in a parking lot in a state park in Pennsylvania on
Nov. 5, 2001.

Investigators traced Turner's movements between Nov. 4 and
Nov. 6 using her cellphone records. They say she drove from
her residence in Iowa to kill Bagby, then went back home.

Her cellphone records also showed a number of calls days
earlier to Bagby's new girlfriend.

She fled to Newfoundland, where she had family, shortly
before police in Pennsylvania issued a warrant for her arrest.

Nonetheless, Justice Welsh didn't believe Turner was likely
to run away and released her on $75,000 bail while she
appealed her extradition order.

Prosecutors in Pennsylvania warned the Newfoundland courts
that Turner was potentially violent and a suicide risk.

The court documents say Turner attempted to kill herself in
1999, at the end of another relationship .

Turner and Bagby met while both were medical students at
Memorial University in St. John's. They carried on a
relationship, until just before Bagby's murder.

Investigators in Pennsylvania say Bagby dumped Turner
who was pregnant with his child.

Several months after she fled to Canada, Turner gave birth
to Zachary.

Bagby's parents came to Newfoundland from their California
home to be near their new grandson.

Written by CBC News Online staff


The article speaks for itself. Hope Judge Welsh sleeps good at night.

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Doobielicious
2003-09-06 01:38:40 UTC
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If she was a man she would have been gehind bars. Women get it easy when it
comes to our judicial system. When they do go to prison they live it up
like they are living in a condo. This should open some peoples eyes and
make them realize how easy women really have it when it comes to committing
violent crimes.
Post by ElectroVox
Canadian judge let Killer-Mom Turner free despite U.S. warning
via CBC (c)
Fri, 05 Sep 2003
ST. JOHN'S - Court officials in Newfoundland disagreed
with those in Pennsylvania about the wisdom of letting
Dr. Shirley Turner free on bail pending her trial for
murder.
In hindsight, the U.S. judge was right.
Turner drowned her 13-month-old son and herself last month
in what police in St. John's have called a murder-suicide.
At the time, she was free on bail while fighting extradition
to Pennsylvania on charges of murdering her former lover.
New court documents released after a publication ban was
lifted show that Newfoundland Justice Gale Welsh believed
Turner, 41, wasn't a threat to society, despite the murder
charges awaiting her in Pennsylvania.
Turner's former lover Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28, was shot five
times in a parking lot in a state park in Pennsylvania on
Nov. 5, 2001.
Investigators traced Turner's movements between Nov. 4 and
Nov. 6 using her cellphone records. They say she drove from
her residence in Iowa to kill Bagby, then went back home.
Her cellphone records also showed a number of calls days
earlier to Bagby's new girlfriend.
She fled to Newfoundland, where she had family, shortly
before police in Pennsylvania issued a warrant for her arrest.
Nonetheless, Justice Welsh didn't believe Turner was likely
to run away and released her on $75,000 bail while she
appealed her extradition order.
Prosecutors in Pennsylvania warned the Newfoundland courts
that Turner was potentially violent and a suicide risk.
The court documents say Turner attempted to kill herself in
1999, at the end of another relationship .
Turner and Bagby met while both were medical students at
Memorial University in St. John's. They carried on a
relationship, until just before Bagby's murder.
Investigators in Pennsylvania say Bagby dumped Turner
who was pregnant with his child.
Several months after she fled to Canada, Turner gave birth
to Zachary.
Bagby's parents came to Newfoundland from their California
home to be near their new grandson.
Written by CBC News Online staff
The article speaks for itself. Hope Judge Welsh sleeps good at night.
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I Don't Give A Damn
2003-09-06 02:17:26 UTC
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I'm beginning to agree with you.
Post by Doobielicious
If she was a man she would have been gehind bars. Women get it easy when it
comes to our judicial system. When they do go to prison they live it up
like they are living in a condo. This should open some peoples eyes and
make them realize how easy women really have it when it comes to committing
violent crimes.
Post by ElectroVox
Canadian judge let Killer-Mom Turner free despite U.S. warning
via CBC (c)
Fri, 05 Sep 2003
ST. JOHN'S - Court officials in Newfoundland disagreed
with those in Pennsylvania about the wisdom of letting
Dr. Shirley Turner free on bail pending her trial for
murder.
In hindsight, the U.S. judge was right.
Turner drowned her 13-month-old son and herself last month
in what police in St. John's have called a murder-suicide.
At the time, she was free on bail while fighting extradition
to Pennsylvania on charges of murdering her former lover.
New court documents released after a publication ban was
lifted show that Newfoundland Justice Gale Welsh believed
Turner, 41, wasn't a threat to society, despite the murder
charges awaiting her in Pennsylvania.
Turner's former lover Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28, was shot five
times in a parking lot in a state park in Pennsylvania on
Nov. 5, 2001.
Investigators traced Turner's movements between Nov. 4 and
Nov. 6 using her cellphone records. They say she drove from
her residence in Iowa to kill Bagby, then went back home.
Her cellphone records also showed a number of calls days
earlier to Bagby's new girlfriend.
She fled to Newfoundland, where she had family, shortly
before police in Pennsylvania issued a warrant for her arrest.
Nonetheless, Justice Welsh didn't believe Turner was likely
to run away and released her on $75,000 bail while she
appealed her extradition order.
Prosecutors in Pennsylvania warned the Newfoundland courts
that Turner was potentially violent and a suicide risk.
The court documents say Turner attempted to kill herself in
1999, at the end of another relationship .
Turner and Bagby met while both were medical students at
Memorial University in St. John's. They carried on a
relationship, until just before Bagby's murder.
Investigators in Pennsylvania say Bagby dumped Turner
who was pregnant with his child.
Several months after she fled to Canada, Turner gave birth
to Zachary.
Bagby's parents came to Newfoundland from their California
home to be near their new grandson.
Written by CBC News Online staff
The article speaks for itself. Hope Judge Welsh sleeps good at night.
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L***@florence.it
2003-09-06 02:42:08 UTC
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On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 01:38:40 GMT, "Doobielicious"
Post by Doobielicious
If she was a man she would have been gehind bars. Women get it easy when it
comes to our judicial system. When they do go to prison they live it up
like they are living in a condo. This should open some peoples eyes and
make them realize how easy women really have it when it comes to committing
violent crimes.
Doobie! One case, Karla Homolka comes to mind. But she is where she
is due to a MALE lawyer removing and withholding evidence to preserve
a MALE defendant. I don't like it anymore than you do, but don't try
to paint all female cons the same way.
Post by Doobielicious
Post by ElectroVox
Canadian judge let Killer-Mom Turner free despite U.S. warning
via CBC (c)
Fri, 05 Sep 2003
ST. JOHN'S - Court officials in Newfoundland disagreed
with those in Pennsylvania about the wisdom of letting
Dr. Shirley Turner free on bail pending her trial for
murder.
In hindsight, the U.S. judge was right.
Turner drowned her 13-month-old son and herself last month
in what police in St. John's have called a murder-suicide.
At the time, she was free on bail while fighting extradition
to Pennsylvania on charges of murdering her former lover.
New court documents released after a publication ban was
lifted show that Newfoundland Justice Gale Welsh believed
Turner, 41, wasn't a threat to society, despite the murder
charges awaiting her in Pennsylvania.
Turner's former lover Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28, was shot five
times in a parking lot in a state park in Pennsylvania on
Nov. 5, 2001.
Investigators traced Turner's movements between Nov. 4 and
Nov. 6 using her cellphone records. They say she drove from
her residence in Iowa to kill Bagby, then went back home.
Her cellphone records also showed a number of calls days
earlier to Bagby's new girlfriend.
She fled to Newfoundland, where she had family, shortly
before police in Pennsylvania issued a warrant for her arrest.
Nonetheless, Justice Welsh didn't believe Turner was likely
to run away and released her on $75,000 bail while she
appealed her extradition order.
Prosecutors in Pennsylvania warned the Newfoundland courts
that Turner was potentially violent and a suicide risk.
The court documents say Turner attempted to kill herself in
1999, at the end of another relationship .
Turner and Bagby met while both were medical students at
Memorial University in St. John's. They carried on a
relationship, until just before Bagby's murder.
Investigators in Pennsylvania say Bagby dumped Turner
who was pregnant with his child.
Several months after she fled to Canada, Turner gave birth
to Zachary.
Bagby's parents came to Newfoundland from their California
home to be near their new grandson.
Written by CBC News Online staff
The article speaks for itself. Hope Judge Welsh sleeps good at night.
ElectroVox Has Spoken
Doobielicious
2003-09-06 12:06:55 UTC
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Sheena,

Women do not sit in a 8 by 5 cell for 23 hours of the day. Women get their
own bathroom, kitchen, laundry facitities etc. They get a tv, fridge, stove
and everything else. You know it and don't deny it. I'm sure you have seen
reports on TV on how female prisoners live in prisons. Karla Homolka even
had sex several times with male guards. Shit give male prisoners female
guards to have sex with.

Lets face it. Females get it easy when they go to jail. It's almost worth
it to hire a female to kill someone because they really do get it easy in
jail.
Post by L***@florence.it
On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 01:38:40 GMT, "Doobielicious"
Post by Doobielicious
If she was a man she would have been gehind bars. Women get it easy when it
comes to our judicial system. When they do go to prison they live it up
like they are living in a condo. This should open some peoples eyes and
make them realize how easy women really have it when it comes to committing
violent crimes.
Doobie! One case, Karla Homolka comes to mind. But she is where she
is due to a MALE lawyer removing and withholding evidence to preserve
a MALE defendant. I don't like it anymore than you do, but don't try
to paint all female cons the same way.
Post by Doobielicious
Post by ElectroVox
Canadian judge let Killer-Mom Turner free despite U.S. warning
via CBC (c)
Fri, 05 Sep 2003
ST. JOHN'S - Court officials in Newfoundland disagreed
with those in Pennsylvania about the wisdom of letting
Dr. Shirley Turner free on bail pending her trial for
murder.
In hindsight, the U.S. judge was right.
Turner drowned her 13-month-old son and herself last month
in what police in St. John's have called a murder-suicide.
At the time, she was free on bail while fighting extradition
to Pennsylvania on charges of murdering her former lover.
New court documents released after a publication ban was
lifted show that Newfoundland Justice Gale Welsh believed
Turner, 41, wasn't a threat to society, despite the murder
charges awaiting her in Pennsylvania.
Turner's former lover Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28, was shot five
times in a parking lot in a state park in Pennsylvania on
Nov. 5, 2001.
Investigators traced Turner's movements between Nov. 4 and
Nov. 6 using her cellphone records. They say she drove from
her residence in Iowa to kill Bagby, then went back home.
Her cellphone records also showed a number of calls days
earlier to Bagby's new girlfriend.
She fled to Newfoundland, where she had family, shortly
before police in Pennsylvania issued a warrant for her arrest.
Nonetheless, Justice Welsh didn't believe Turner was likely
to run away and released her on $75,000 bail while she
appealed her extradition order.
Prosecutors in Pennsylvania warned the Newfoundland courts
that Turner was potentially violent and a suicide risk.
The court documents say Turner attempted to kill herself in
1999, at the end of another relationship .
Turner and Bagby met while both were medical students at
Memorial University in St. John's. They carried on a
relationship, until just before Bagby's murder.
Investigators in Pennsylvania say Bagby dumped Turner
who was pregnant with his child.
Several months after she fled to Canada, Turner gave birth
to Zachary.
Bagby's parents came to Newfoundland from their California
home to be near their new grandson.
Written by CBC News Online staff
The article speaks for itself. Hope Judge Welsh sleeps good at night.
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Donna Whitman
2003-09-06 13:19:29 UTC
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On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 12:06:55 GMT, "Doobielicious"
Post by Doobielicious
Sheena,
Women do not sit in a 8 by 5 cell for 23 hours of the day. Women get their
own bathroom, kitchen, laundry facitities etc. They get a tv, fridge, stove
and everything else. You know it and don't deny it. I'm sure you have seen
reports on TV on how female prisoners live in prisons. Karla Homolka even
had sex several times with male guards. Shit give male prisoners female
guards to have sex with.
That doesn't jive with the documentaries I've see ... admittedly on
U.S. TV about women's prisons. They don't look any "fancier" than the
men's. Don't compare minimum security women's to maximum security
men's.
sparkie19us
2003-09-06 02:08:59 UTC
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It was very tragic how this story ended. I have been trying to have a child
for 2 years and was totally pissed that she killed her son. Sure kill
yourself if you want but not a innocent kid who could be loved by someone
else.
Post by ElectroVox
Canadian judge let Killer-Mom Turner free despite U.S. warning
Fri, 05 Sep 2003
ST. JOHN'S - Court officials in Newfoundland disagreed
with those in Pennsylvania about the wisdom of letting
Dr. Shirley Turner free on bail pending her trial for
murder.
In hindsight, the U.S. judge was right.
Turner drowned her 13-month-old son and herself last month
in what police in St. John's have called a murder-suicide.
At the time, she was free on bail while fighting extradition
to Pennsylvania on charges of murdering her former lover.
New court documents released after a publication ban was
lifted show that Newfoundland Justice Gale Welsh believed
Turner, 41, wasn't a threat to society, despite the murder
charges awaiting her in Pennsylvania.
The article speaks for itself. Hope Judge Welsh sleeps good at night.
ElectroVox Has Spoken
Beautiful mother and handsome son -
http://stjohns.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=nf_bagbyparents_20030903

Court lifts ban on Turner documents
http://stjohns.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=nf_turner_20030904

It seems that the Supreme Court of Newfoundland has in-experienced judges.
Justice Welsh has the similar age as Turner.
"teacher and taught grade school and special education"

Who should make the full and independent investigation into this failure of the
Canadian justice system in Newfoundland?


***
http://canada.justice.gc.ca/en/news/ja/1999/nf0310.html

Barbara Gale Welsh, Q.C. of St. John’s, is appointed a Judge of the Supreme
Court of Newfoundland, Trial Division, in Corner Brook. She replaces Mr.
Justice Denis M. Roberts who has been appointed to the Court of Appeal of the
Supreme Court of Newfoundland.

Madam Justice Welsh graduated in Law from the University of Saskatchewan in
1983 and was admitted to the Bar of Saskatchewan the following year and to the
Bar of Newfoundland in 1989.

Prior to her appointment to the bench, Madam Justice Welsh had been a solicitor
and a counsellor with the Department of Justice of Newfoundland and Labrador,
and had mainly practised in the areas of constitutional law, human rights law,
and natural resources and education law. From 1984 to 1989, she practised law
with the Department of Justice of Saskatchewan, Constitutional Law Branch.
Prior to that, Madam Justice Welsh was a teacher and taught grade school and
special education in Alberta, in the Northwest Territories and in Labrador.
***
Dana Dares
2003-09-08 22:34:47 UTC
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Th e judge should be charged,
Welcome to the "justice" system in canada...this happens everyday, violent
offenders ar released either on parole or on their own recognizance...this
is the "liberal" justice system at work. I believe we should get back to
a
law-and-order society...i.e. throw the key away...
Post by ElectroVox
Canadian judge let Killer-Mom Turner free despite U.S. warning
via CBC (c)
Fri, 05 Sep 2003
ST. JOHN'S - Court officials in Newfoundland disagreed
with those in Pennsylvania about the wisdom of letting
Dr. Shirley Turner free on bail pending her trial for
murder.
In hindsight, the U.S. judge was right.
Turner drowned her 13-month-old son and herself last month
in what police in St. John's have called a murder-suicide.
At the time, she was free on bail while fighting extradition
to Pennsylvania on charges of murdering her former lover.
New court documents released after a publication ban was
lifted show that Newfoundland Justice Gale Welsh believed
Turner, 41, wasn't a threat to society, despite the murder
charges awaiting her in Pennsylvania.
Turner's former lover Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28, was shot five
times in a parking lot in a state park in Pennsylvania on
Nov. 5, 2001.
Investigators traced Turner's movements between Nov. 4 and
Nov. 6 using her cellphone records. They say she drove from
her residence in Iowa to kill Bagby, then went back home.
Her cellphone records also showed a number of calls days
earlier to Bagby's new girlfriend.
She fled to Newfoundland, where she had family, shortly
before police in Pennsylvania issued a warrant for her arrest.
Nonetheless, Justice Welsh didn't believe Turner was likely
to run away and released her on $75,000 bail while she
appealed her extradition order.
Prosecutors in Pennsylvania warned the Newfoundland courts
that Turner was potentially violent and a suicide risk.
The court documents say Turner attempted to kill herself in
1999, at the end of another relationship .
Turner and Bagby met while both were medical students at
Memorial University in St. John's. They carried on a
relationship, until just before Bagby's murder.
Investigators in Pennsylvania say Bagby dumped Turner
who was pregnant with his child.
Several months after she fled to Canada, Turner gave birth
to Zachary.
Bagby's parents came to Newfoundland from their California
home to be near their new grandson.
Written by CBC News Online staff
The article speaks for itself. Hope Judge Welsh sleeps good at night.
ElectroVox Has Spoken
Darryl Harding
2003-09-08 22:49:06 UTC
Permalink
one more thing that is being over looked here folks is that the
Childrens Protective Services department was notified of a possible
danger to the child and a recommendation of supervised custody was asked
for.....however nothing was ever done about it......

my samantha once cut her chin while under the care of our sitter and i
had to fill out 5 or six pages of very direct questions with a young
socail worker type girl that pratically accused me of abusing me....i
told her that i understand that she was doing her job but that I or my
sitter had not hurt my child, she was very forceful in directing me that
all precautions needed to be followed to determine if in fact the child
would be returned to a potentially abusive parent of
guardian.....!!!!!! what the frig happened here??????????

there needs to be an indepth revue and inquiry to make sure this never
happens again......EVER to another innocent child.....i applaud the
Bagby's for their fortitude...

Darryl
Post by Dana Dares
Th e judge should be charged,
Welcome to the "justice" system in canada...this happens everyday, violent
offenders ar released either on parole or on their own recognizance...this
is the "liberal" justice system at work. I believe we should get back to
a
law-and-order society...i.e. throw the key away...
Post by ElectroVox
Canadian judge let Killer-Mom Turner free despite U.S. warning
via CBC (c)
Fri, 05 Sep 2003
ST. JOHN'S - Court officials in Newfoundland disagreed
with those in Pennsylvania about the wisdom of letting
Dr. Shirley Turner free on bail pending her trial for
murder.
In hindsight, the U.S. judge was right.
Turner drowned her 13-month-old son and herself last month
in what police in St. John's have called a murder-suicide.
At the time, she was free on bail while fighting extradition
to Pennsylvania on charges of murdering her former lover.
New court documents released after a publication ban was
lifted show that Newfoundland Justice Gale Welsh believed
Turner, 41, wasn't a threat to society, despite the murder
charges awaiting her in Pennsylvania.
Turner's former lover Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28, was shot five
times in a parking lot in a state park in Pennsylvania on
Nov. 5, 2001.
Investigators traced Turner's movements between Nov. 4 and
Nov. 6 using her cellphone records. They say she drove from
her residence in Iowa to kill Bagby, then went back home.
Her cellphone records also showed a number of calls days
earlier to Bagby's new girlfriend.
She fled to Newfoundland, where she had family, shortly
before police in Pennsylvania issued a warrant for her arrest.
Nonetheless, Justice Welsh didn't believe Turner was likely
to run away and released her on $75,000 bail while she
appealed her extradition order.
Prosecutors in Pennsylvania warned the Newfoundland courts
that Turner was potentially violent and a suicide risk.
The court documents say Turner attempted to kill herself in
1999, at the end of another relationship .
Turner and Bagby met while both were medical students at
Memorial University in St. John's. They carried on a
relationship, until just before Bagby's murder.
Investigators in Pennsylvania say Bagby dumped Turner
who was pregnant with his child.
Several months after she fled to Canada, Turner gave birth
to Zachary.
Bagby's parents came to Newfoundland from their California
home to be near their new grandson.
Written by CBC News Online staff
The article speaks for itself. Hope Judge Welsh sleeps good at night.
ElectroVox Has Spoken
Darryl Harding
2003-09-08 22:51:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Darryl Harding
one more thing that is being over looked here folks is that the
Childrens Protective Services department was notified of a possible
danger to the child and a recommendation of supervised custody was
asked for.....however nothing was ever done about it......
my samantha once cut her chin while under the care of our sitter and
i had to fill out 5 or six pages of very direct questions with a young
socail worker type girl that pratically accused me of abusing me
oops i meant her.......
Post by Darryl Harding
....i told her that i understand that she was doing her job but that I
or my sitter had not hurt my child, she was very forceful in directing
me that all precautions needed to be followed to determine if in fact
the child would be returned to a potentially abusive parent of
guardian.....!!!!!! what the frig happened here??????????
there needs to be an indepth revue and inquiry to make sure this never
happens again......EVER to another innocent child.....i applaud the
Bagby's for their fortitude...
Darryl
Post by Dana Dares
Th e judge should be charged,
Welcome to the "justice" system in canada...this happens everyday, violent
offenders ar released either on parole or on their own
recognizance...this
is the "liberal" justice system at work. I believe we should get back to
a
law-and-order society...i.e. throw the key away...
Post by ElectroVox
Canadian judge let Killer-Mom Turner free despite U.S. warning
via CBC (c)
Fri, 05 Sep 2003
ST. JOHN'S - Court officials in Newfoundland disagreed
with those in Pennsylvania about the wisdom of letting
Dr. Shirley Turner free on bail pending her trial for
murder.
In hindsight, the U.S. judge was right.
Turner drowned her 13-month-old son and herself last month
in what police in St. John's have called a murder-suicide.
At the time, she was free on bail while fighting extradition
to Pennsylvania on charges of murdering her former lover.
New court documents released after a publication ban was
lifted show that Newfoundland Justice Gale Welsh believed
Turner, 41, wasn't a threat to society, despite the murder
charges awaiting her in Pennsylvania.
Turner's former lover Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28, was shot five
times in a parking lot in a state park in Pennsylvania on
Nov. 5, 2001.
Investigators traced Turner's movements between Nov. 4 and
Nov. 6 using her cellphone records. They say she drove from
her residence in Iowa to kill Bagby, then went back home.
Her cellphone records also showed a number of calls days
earlier to Bagby's new girlfriend.
She fled to Newfoundland, where she had family, shortly
before police in Pennsylvania issued a warrant for her arrest.
Nonetheless, Justice Welsh didn't believe Turner was likely
to run away and released her on $75,000 bail while she
appealed her extradition order.
Prosecutors in Pennsylvania warned the Newfoundland courts
that Turner was potentially violent and a suicide risk.
The court documents say Turner attempted to kill herself in
1999, at the end of another relationship .
Turner and Bagby met while both were medical students at
Memorial University in St. John's. They carried on a
relationship, until just before Bagby's murder.
Investigators in Pennsylvania say Bagby dumped Turner
who was pregnant with his child.
Several months after she fled to Canada, Turner gave birth
to Zachary.
Bagby's parents came to Newfoundland from their California
home to be near their new grandson.
Written by CBC News Online staff
The article speaks for itself. Hope Judge Welsh sleeps good at night.
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